Discussion:
Impressions of 4.1beta1 from rawhide
Ravi
2008-05-30 13:38:10 UTC
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Hi,
  I have been running the 4.1 beta1 packages from rawhide for the
last 2 days and am generally very happy with it. For my use, the
packages are at least as good as the 4.0.x packages from stable
Fedora 9 on x86_64. The command I needed to install the packages
is:
  yum install 'kde*' soprano --enablerepo=rawhide
Even though the new nepomuk requires the new soprano from rawhide,
it is not pulled in automatically; this indicates a missing
'Requires:' in some spec file.
  Plasma seems to have had a few regressions:
1. The list of plasmoids in the 'Add widgets' dialog does not
include 'Icon' even though I am using extragear-plasma-4.0.80-2
whose changelog indicates that the icon scriptlet was included. I
am working around it by manually modifying plasma-appletsrc.
2. Adding the system tray to the panel causes Plasma to crash on
exit (even with nothing in the system tray). This is a big problem
since it makes klipper useless.
3. Icon spacing on the panel is messed up; it icons have too much
space around them (compared to 4.0.x).
4. Moving plasmoids on the panel does not seem to be supported
though I vaguely recall Kevin saying that such a patch is included
in the F9 build; perhaps it was only for 4.0.x?
  The good is that the comic book plasmoid is functional once
again, plasmoids can be resized more flexibly, the digital clock
finally shows the date without layout issues and that compositing
using Xrender is much improved; OpenGL is not an option for due to
lack of driver support (ATI/AMD R482 with open source  radeon
drivers).
  KWin also seems to have a few regressions:
1. I don't recall whether 4.0.x had an option to set the number of
virtual desktops, but 4.1beta1 does not. Again, I am working around
it by manually modifying kwinrc.
2. Any new keybindings (Win+Down for next desktop down) does not
seem to take effect. Upon restart, the keybindings revert to the
original ones and all customization is lost.
3. I could not get self-compiled emacs-cvs (with Xft) to work
properly with KWin. If compositing is turned off, X takes 100% of
the CPU when emacs is started. With compositing on, the emacs
window can be shown only with 50% opacity or lower. With higher
opacity (even 100%), the emacs window ('frame' in emacs-speak)
exists and its outline can be seen in the pager, but cannot be
seen; however, I do see tooltips, right click menus, etc. by
blindly hovering and/or clicked at the right spots. This problem
does not occur with other GTK applications.
  The new Kontact is nice. I have been using it heavily with
disconnected IMAP and it has been working very well, actually even
better than 3.5.x in terms of speed. The only regression I can
notice is that it does not seem to fetch the passwords from KWallet
when sending messages, but for receiving messages, it works fine. I
have not looked at the rest of the PIM applications.
  If dolphin or dolphinpart seems to crash on start, please ensure
that you have the latest version of soprano installed.

Regards,
Ravi
Ravi
2008-05-30 13:36:00 UTC
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Hi,
I have been running the 4.1 beta1 packages from rawhide for the
last 2 days and am generally very happy with it. For my use, the
packages are at least as good as the 4.0.x packages from stable
Fedora 9 on x86_64. The command I needed to install the packages
is:
yum install 'kde*' soprano --enablerepo=rawhide
Even though the new nepomuk requires the new soprano from rawhide,
it is not pulled in automatically; this indicates a missing
'Requires:' in some spec file.
Plasma seems to have had a few regressions:
1. The list of plasmoids in the 'Add widgets' dialog does not
include 'Icon' even though I am using extragear-plasma-4.0.80-2
whose changelog indicates that the icon scriptlet was included. I
am working around it by manually modifying plasma-appletsrc.
2. Adding the system tray to the panel causes Plasma to crash on
exit (even with nothing in the system tray). This is a big problem
since it makes klipper useless.
3. Icon spacing on the panel is messed up; it icons have too much
space around them (compared to 4.0.x).
4. Moving plasmoids on the panel does not seem to be supported
though I vaguely recall Kevin saying that such a patch is included
in the F9 build; perhaps it was only for 4.0.x?
The good is that the comic book plasmoid is functional once
again, plasmoids can be resized more flexibly, the digital clock
finally shows the date without layout issues and that compositing
using Xrender is much improved; OpenGL is not an option for due to
lack of driver support (ATI/AMD R482 with open source radeon
drivers).
KWin also seems to have a few regressions:
1. I don't recall whether 4.0.x had an option to set the number of
virtual desktops, but 4.1beta1 does not. Again, I am working around
it by manually modifying kwinrc.
2. Any new keybindings (Win+Down for next desktop down) does not
seem to take effect. Upon restart, the keybindings revert to the
original ones and all customization is lost.
3. I could not get self-compiled emacs-cvs (with Xft) to work
properly with KWin. If compositing is turned off, X takes 100% of
the CPU when emacs is started. With compositing on, the emacs
window can be shown only with 50% opacity or lower. With higher
opacity (even 100%), the emacs window ('frame' in emacs-speak)
exists and its outline can be seen in the pager, but cannot be
seen; however, I do see tooltips, right click menus, etc. by
blindly hovering and/or clicked at the right spots. This problem
does not occur with other GTK applications.
The new Kontact is nice. I have been using it heavily with
disconnected IMAP and it has been working very well, actually even
better than 3.5.x in terms of speed. The only regression I can
notice is that it does not seem to fetch the passwords from KWallet
when sending messages, but for receiving messages, it works fine. I
have not looked at the rest of the PIM applications.
If dolphin or dolphinpart seems to crash on start, please ensure
that you have the latest version of soprano installed.

Regards,
Ravi
Rex Dieter
2008-05-30 15:34:32 UTC
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Post by Ravi
I have been running the 4.1 beta1 packages from rawhide for the
last 2 days and am generally very happy with it. For my use, the
packages are at least as good as the 4.0.x packages from stable
Fedora 9 on x86_64.
Thanks! Not having a chance to actually try these bad-boys out myself yet,
that's all good to know.

-- Rex


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José Matos
2008-05-30 15:42:41 UTC
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Post by Ravi
Hi,
  I have been running the 4.1 beta1 packages from rawhide for the
last 2 days and am generally very happy with it. For my use, the
packages are at least as good as the 4.0.x packages from stable
Fedora 9 on x86_64.
Actually there are some corners where 4.0.4 is a bit more polished, but the is
to be expected, after all it is the fifth iteration of 4.0. Overall I agree
that this release (4.1) shows lots of potential and it is living up to the
promises of the developers that 4.1 would be able to rival with 3.5.x.

OTHO if we compare it with the first kde 4.0.0 snapshots that we have tested
in December, well it is not even like comparing apples and oranges it is more
like comparing apples and rocks. ;-)
--
José Abílio

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