new fedora-kde list

[Rex Dieter]

Alrighty, finally got off my arse to get a more official list made, as
well as moving away from relying on sourceforge. Ta da,
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/fedora-kde

I'd like in the not-too-distant future, retire kde-redhat-* lists in
favor of that one. Let's set a tentative kill date of Feb 1, 2009.

-- Rex

[Rex Dieter]

Alrighty, finally got off my arse to get a more official list made, as
well as moving away from relying on sourceforge. Ta da,
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/fedora-kde

I'd like in the not-too-distant future, retire kde-redhat-* lists in
favor of that one. Let's set a tentative kill date of Feb 1, 2009.

-- Rex

[Mark Bidewell]

Will existing subscribers be migrated?

Post by Rex Dieter
Alrighty, finally got off my arse to get a more official list made, as
well as moving away from relying on sourceforge. Ta da,
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/fedora-kde
I'd like in the not-too-distant future, retire kde-redhat-* lists in
favor of that one. Let's set a tentative kill date of Feb 1, 2009.
-- Rex
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[Rex Dieter]

Post by Mark Bidewell
Will existing subscribers be migrated?

I considerred, but leaned toward no.

I *could* though, folks, what say you? aye or nay?

-- Rex

Post by Mark Bidewell

Post by Rex Dieter
Alrighty, finally got off my arse to get a more official list made, as
well as moving away from relying on sourceforge. Ta da,
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/fedora-kde

[Eli Wapniarski]

Post by Rex Dieter

Post by Mark Bidewell
Will existing subscribers be migrated?

I considerred, but leaned toward no.
I *could* though, folks, what say you? aye or nay?

From a purely practical stand point point if us subscribers could be
transferred, then I think that would be OK.

From a political stand point. I think it would be better for us to be able to
have our discusssions in, and I stress this, "relative privacy" outside of
Fedora mainstream. For me personally, I've seen some disturbing trends
regarding releases and core backends.

Fedora 9 and Beta xorg. Fedora 10 and release candidate for rpm. Repository
glitches with KDE release 4.1.2, and most recently PackageKit

These are examples of IMHO show a severe lapse in professinoalism due to lack
of consideration for users that rely on the Fedora to get things done, not
just report bugs and provide development feedback for Redhat. These examples
that are really making me reconsider my association with Fedora / Redhat. I
was thinking of moving my stuff over to Centos 6 when it comes out, but then
again, if the basis of that software is Redhat which is based on Fedora, then
I really need to consider the direction development, releases and release
schedules are taking. The pressure that is placed on the packagers and
developers. And the toll that this is taking on them and the time that this is
taking from me.

I really think we should have a space to grumble like this outside of Fedora.

Thanks for your consideration.

Eli

[Rex Dieter]

Post by Eli Wapniarski
I really think we should have a space to grumble like this outside of Fedora.

What difference does it make, where the list is hosted(*)

I'm genuinely curious, because things should be open and transparent
enought that it doesn't. I'm open to the idea that perceptions may not
be close to reality here.

(*) Discounting the quality of such hosting, let's leave that out of the
discussion for now.

-- Rex

[Steven M. Parrish]

Post by Rex Dieter

Post by Mark Bidewell
Will existing subscribers be migrated?

I considerred, but leaned toward no.
I *could* though, folks, what say you? aye or nay?
-- Rex

Post by Mark Bidewell

Post by Rex Dieter
Alrighty, finally got off my arse to get a more official list made, as
well as moving away from relying on sourceforge. Ta da,
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/fedora-kde

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I so dont migrate

By not migrating you prune out the folks who while still subscribed no longer
have an interest in what we say. And if they can't take the 30 secs needed to
subscribe to the new list then the choice is theirs.

Steven

[Colin J Thomson]

Post by Steven M. Parrish
I so dont migrate
By not migrating you prune out the folks who while still subscribed no
longer have an interest in what we say. And if they can't take the 30 secs
needed to subscribe to the new list then the choice is theirs.

Yep I agree with Steven, don't migrate.

Colin

[Rex Dieter]

Post by Colin J Thomson

Post by Steven M. Parrish
I so dont migrate
By not migrating you prune out the folks who while still subscribed no
longer have an interest in what we say. And if they can't take the 30 secs
needed to subscribe to the new list then the choice is theirs.

Yep I agree with Steven, don't migrate.

OK, that's enough of a veto confidence-vote for me. No it is.

-- Rex

[Thomas Moschny]

Post by Rex Dieter
OK, that's enough of a veto confidence-vote for me. No it is.

Wow that was fast. I was going to suggest a procedure I've seen for
other lists: Migrate all people half-automatically, that is, add them
tentatively so they get a confirmation mail they have to react on. If
they choose to ignore that for any reason, they will not be
subscribed.

- Thomas

[Rex Dieter]

Post by Thomas Moschny

Post by Rex Dieter
OK, that's enough of a veto confidence-vote for me. No it is.

Wow that was fast. I was going to suggest a procedure I've seen for
other lists: Migrate all people half-automatically, that is, add them
tentatively so they get a confirmation mail they have to react on. If
they choose to ignore that for any reason, they will not be
subscribed.

Ah, true. auto-subscribe vs auto-invite. Purely opt-in at that point.

OK, call me mr waffle, but I like that idea. I'll probably push the
"big red button"(tm) tomorrow. Apologies in advance for the invite-spam.

-- Rex

[Rex Dieter]

Post by Rex Dieter

Post by Thomas Moschny

Post by Rex Dieter
OK, that's enough of a veto confidence-vote for me. No it is.

Wow that was fast. I was going to suggest a procedure I've seen for
other lists: Migrate all people half-automatically, that is, add them
tentatively so they get a confirmation mail they have to react on. If
they choose to ignore that for any reason, they will not be
subscribed.

Ah, true. auto-subscribe vs auto-invite. Purely opt-in at that point.
OK, call me mr waffle, but I like that idea. I'll probably push the
"big red button"(tm) tomorrow. Apologies in advance for the invite-spam.

OK, the deed is done.

-- Rex

[Rex Dieter]

Post by Rex Dieter

Post by Rex Dieter
OK, call me mr waffle, but I like that idea. I'll probably push the
"big red button"(tm) tomorrow. Apologies in advance for the invite-spam.

OK, the deed is done.

Oh I do enjoy responding to myself. What's that you said? Be quiet! (1)

Since we took the liberty of auto-inviting the world here, I'd propose an
earlier EOL date, say Dec 31.

-- Rex

(1) reminds me of a t-shirt I saw once... something like: I hear voices in
my head, and they're all idiots!

[Gilboa Davara]

Post by Steven M. Parrish

Post by Rex Dieter

Post by Mark Bidewell
Will existing subscribers be migrated?

I considerred, but leaned toward no.
I *could* though, folks, what say you? aye or nay?
-- Rex

Post by Mark Bidewell

Post by Rex Dieter
Alrighty, finally got off my arse to get a more official list made, as
well as moving away from relying on sourceforge. Ta da,
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/fedora-kde

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I so dont migrate
By not migrating you prune out the folks who while still subscribed no longer
have an interest in what we say. And if they can't take the 30 secs needed to
subscribe to the new list then the choice is theirs.
Steven

/+1.

- Gilboa "took me 10 seconds to register" Davara.

[Claude Jones]

I could though, folks, what say you?  aye or nay?

Good opportunity to weed. I already signed up for the new one.

[Gilboa Davara]

Post by Rex Dieter
Alrighty, finally got off my arse to get a more official list made, as
well as moving away from relying on sourceforge. Ta da,
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/fedora-kde
I'd like in the not-too-distant future, retire kde-redhat-* lists in
favor of that one. Let's set a tentative kill date of Feb 1, 2009.
-- Rex

Will the new ML handle RHEL related issues?

- Gilboa

[Rex Dieter]

Post by Gilboa Davara

Post by Rex Dieter
Alrighty, finally got off my arse to get a more official list made, as
well as moving away from relying on sourceforge. Ta da,
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/fedora-kde
I'd like in the not-too-distant future, retire kde-redhat-* lists in
favor of that one. Let's set a tentative kill date of Feb 1, 2009.

...

Post by Gilboa Davara
Will the new ML handle RHEL related issues?

Good question.

Let's go with... (As long as I'm involved anyway) fedora-kde will have
the same purpose/charter that kde-redhat-users did. In short: yes.

-- Rex

[Gilboa Davara]

Post by Rex Dieter

Post by Gilboa Davara

Post by Rex Dieter
Alrighty, finally got off my arse to get a more official list made, as
well as moving away from relying on sourceforge. Ta da,
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/fedora-kde
I'd like in the not-too-distant future, retire kde-redhat-* lists in
favor of that one. Let's set a tentative kill date of Feb 1, 2009.

...

Post by Gilboa Davara
Will the new ML handle RHEL related issues?

Good question.
Let's go with... (As long as I'm involved anyway) fedora-kde will have
the same purpose/charter that kde-redhat-users did. In short: yes.
-- Rex

OK. Thanks.
Oh, what about kde-redhat-devel? Will it remain or will it migrate along
with -users?

- Gilboa

[Rex Dieter]

Post by Gilboa Davara
Oh, what about kde-redhat-devel? Will it remain or will it migrate along
with -users?

It goes too (I sent a similar EOL announcement there as well). It's
been relatively low-traffic, so we decided the need for the separate
list just wasn't there (we can always re-evaluate later).

-- Rex