kde-4.0.0 landing in kde-redhat/unstable soon

[Rex Dieter]

Heads up, I'm building kde-4.0.0 (all of it) for F-8 (and maybe F-7 too
when/if I get round-tuit), and will stuffing these into the
kde-redhat/unstable soon.

Only enable the unstable repo is you're know your way around yum, and
have a good grasp at debugging dependency issues. You've been warned. :)

That said, have fun.

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Post by Rex Dieter
Heads up, I'm building kde-4.0.0 (all of it) for F-8 (and maybe F-7 too
when/if I get round-tuit), and will stuffing these into the
kde-redhat/unstable soon.
Only enable the unstable repo is you're know your way around yum, and
have a good grasp at debugging dependency issues. You've been warned. :)
That said, have fun.

Thanks for cleaning the old stuff in the unstable repo, I had kdetoys
showing there with file conflicts with installed files and yesterday I
noticed that it was not there any more. :-)

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Post by Rex Dieter
Heads up, I'm building kde-4.0.0 (all of it) for F-8 (and maybe F-7 too
when/if I get round-tuit), and will stuffing these into the
kde-redhat/unstable soon.
Only enable the unstable repo is you're know your way around yum, and
have a good grasp at debugging dependency issues. You've been warned. :)
That said, have fun.
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Alright !! :)

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Post by Rex Dieter
Heads up, I'm building kde-4.0.0 (all of it) for F-8 (and maybe F-7 too
when/if I get round-tuit), and will stuffing these into the
kde-redhat/unstable soon.
Only enable the unstable repo is you're know your way around yum, and
have a good grasp at debugging dependency issues. You've been warned. :)
That said, have fun.
-- Rex

I get this

Error: Missing Dependency: crystalsvg-icon-theme is needed by package kdelibs3

[Rex Dieter]

Post by José Matos

Post by Rex Dieter
Heads up, I'm building kde-4.0.0 (all of it) for F-8 (and maybe F-7 too
when/if I get round-tuit), and will stuffing these into the
kde-redhat/unstable soon.
Only enable the unstable repo is you're know your way around yum, and
have a good grasp at debugging dependency issues. You've been warned. :)
That said, have fun.
-- Rex

I get this
Error: Missing Dependency: crystalsvg-icon-theme is needed by package kdelibs3

patience grasshopper, things are trickling in slowly.

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Post by José Matos

Post by Rex Dieter
Heads up, I'm building kde-4.0.0 (all of it) for F-8 (and maybe F-7 too
when/if I get round-tuit), and will stuffing these into the
kde-redhat/unstable soon.
Only enable the unstable repo is you're know your way around yum, and
have a good grasp at debugging dependency issues. You've been warned. :)
That said, have fun.
-- Rex

I get this
Error: Missing Dependency: crystalsvg-icon-theme is needed by package kdelibs3

patience grasshopper, things are trickling in slowly.

OK, should pretty much be done now (thanks to the Xeon server that
happens to be sitting idle here), everything is now rpm signing, and
createrepo'ing.

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Post by Rex Dieter

Post by Rex Dieter

Post by José Matos

Post by Rex Dieter
Heads up, I'm building kde-4.0.0 (all of it) for F-8 (and maybe F-7 too
when/if I get round-tuit), and will stuffing these into the
kde-redhat/unstable soon.
Only enable the unstable repo is you're know your way around yum, and
have a good grasp at debugging dependency issues. You've been warned. :)
That said, have fun.
-- Rex

I get this
Error: Missing Dependency: crystalsvg-icon-theme is needed by package kdelibs3

patience grasshopper, things are trickling in slowly.

OK, should pretty much be done now (thanks to the Xeon server that
happens to be sitting idle here), everything is now rpm signing, and
createrepo'ing.
-- Rex

Problem 1

kdebase-runtime: Depends: kdepimlibs (>= 4.0.0)

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Post by Rex Dieter

Post by Rex Dieter

Post by José Matos

Post by Rex Dieter
Heads up, I'm building kde-4.0.0 (all of it) for F-8 (and maybe F-7
too when/if I get round-tuit), and will stuffing these into the
kde-redhat/unstable soon.
Only enable the unstable repo is you're know your way around yum, and
have a good grasp at debugging dependency issues. You've been
warned.
:)
That said, have fun.
-- Rex

I get this
Error: Missing Dependency: crystalsvg-icon-theme is needed by package kdelibs3

patience grasshopper, things are trickling in slowly.

OK, should pretty much be done now (thanks to the Xeon server that
happens to be sitting idle here), everything is now rpm signing, and
createrepo'ing.
-- Rex

Problem 1
kdebase-runtime: Depends: kdepimlibs (>= 4.0.0)

I did not provide complete info.

You really have to love apt-get. It really gets down to the heart of the
matter.

Problem 1

The following packages have unmet dependencies:
kdebase-runtime: Depends: kdepimlibs (>= 4.0.0)
kdelibs: Obsoletes: kdelibs4 (< 4.0.0-1.fc8.1)


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Post by Eli Wapniarski

Post by Rex Dieter

Post by Rex Dieter

Post by José Matos

Post by Rex Dieter
Heads up, I'm building kde-4.0.0 (all of it) for F-8 (and maybe F-7 too
when/if I get round-tuit), and will stuffing these into the
kde-redhat/unstable soon.
Only enable the unstable repo is you're know your way around yum, and
have a good grasp at debugging dependency issues. You've been warned. :)
That said, have fun.
-- Rex

I get this
Error: Missing Dependency: crystalsvg-icon-theme is needed by package kdelibs3

patience grasshopper, things are trickling in slowly.

OK, should pretty much be done now (thanks to the Xeon server that
happens to be sitting idle here), everything is now rpm signing, and
createrepo'ing.
-- Rex

Problem 1
kdebase-runtime: Depends: kdepimlibs (>= 4.0.0)

Sorry, forgot to mention, you need to enable updates-testing (that's
where kdepimlibs-4.0.0 lives atm).

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Post by Eli Wapniarski
Problem 1
kdebase-runtime: Depends: kdepimlibs (>= 4.0.0)

Sorry, forgot to mention, you need to enable updates-testing (that's
where kdepimlibs-4.0.0 lives atm).

I'll see about grabbing those, and manually putting them into the
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Post by Rex Dieter

Post by Eli Wapniarski

Post by Rex Dieter

Post by Rex Dieter

Post by José Matos

Post by Rex Dieter
Heads up, I'm building kde-4.0.0 (all of it) for F-8 (and maybe F-7
too when/if I get round-tuit), and will stuffing these into the
kde-redhat/unstable soon.
Only enable the unstable repo is you're know your way around yum, and
have a good grasp at debugging dependency issues. You've been
warned.
:)
That said, have fun.
-- Rex

I get this
Error: Missing Dependency: crystalsvg-icon-theme is needed by package kdelibs3

patience grasshopper, things are trickling in slowly.

OK, should pretty much be done now (thanks to the Xeon server that
happens to be sitting idle here), everything is now rpm signing, and
createrepo'ing.
-- Rex

Problem 1
kdebase-runtime: Depends: kdepimlibs (>= 4.0.0)

Sorry, forgot to mention, you need to enable updates-testing (that's
where kdepimlibs-4.0.0 lives atm).

Hi Rex

Three parts.

First off. Thank you for this.

Second

apt-get -fd upgrade produces

The following packages have been kept back
kdeadmin (3.5.8-1.fc8 => 4.0.0-1.fc8)
kdeartwork (3.5.8-1.fc8 => 4.0.0-1.fc8)
kdeartwork-extras (3.5.8-1.fc8 => 4.0.0-1.fc8)
kdeartwork-kxs (3.5.8-1.fc8 => 4.0.0-1.fc8)
kdebase (3.5.8-30.fc8 => 4.0.0-2.fc8.1)
kdebase-devel (3.5.8-30.fc8 => 4.0.0-2.fc8.1)
kdebindings (3.5.8-1.fc8 => 4.0.0-1.fc8)
kdebindings-devel (3.5.8-1.fc8 => 4.0.0-1.fc8)
kdeedu (3.5.8-3.fc8 => 4.0.0-2.fc8)
kdeedu-devel (3.5.8-3.fc8 => 4.0.0-2.fc8)
kdeedu-libs (3.5.8-3.fc8 => 4.0.0-2.fc8)
kdegames (3.5.8-4.fc8 => 4.0.0-1.fc8)
kdegames-devel (3.5.8-4.fc8 => 4.0.0-1.fc8)
kdegames-libs (3.5.8-4.fc8 => 4.0.0-1.fc8)
kdegraphics (3.5.8-7.fc8 => 4.0.0-1.fc8)
kdegraphics-devel (3.5.8-7.fc8 => 4.0.0-1.fc8)
kdegraphics-libs (3.5.8-7.fc8 => 4.0.0-1.fc8)
kdelibs (3.5.8-19.fc8 => 4.0.0-1.fc8.1)
kdelibs-devel (3.5.8-19.fc8 => 4.0.0-1.fc8.1)
kdemultimedia (3.5.8-8.fc8 => 4.0.0-1.fc8)
kdemultimedia-devel (3.5.8-8.fc8 => 4.0.0-1.fc8)
kdemultimedia-libs (3.5.8-8.fc8 => 4.0.0-1.fc8)
kdenetwork (3.5.8-9.fc8 => 4.0.0-1.fc8)
kdenetwork-devel (3.5.8-9.fc8 => 4.0.0-1.fc8)
kdenetwork-libs (3.5.8-9.fc8 => 4.0.0-1.fc8)
kdesdk (3.5.8-2.fc8 => 4.0.0-1.fc8)
kdesdk-devel (3.5.8-2.fc8 => 4.0.0-1.fc8)
kdesdk-libs (3.5.8-2.fc8 => 4.0.0-1.fc8)
kdetoys (3.5.8-1.fc8 => 4.0.0-1.fc8)
kdeutils (3.5.8-3.fc8 => 4.0.0-2.fc8)

Third

apt-get -fd dist-upgrade produces

kdelibs: Obsoletes: kdelibs4 (< 4.0.0-1.fc8.1)
kdelibs-devel: Obsoletes: kdelibs4-devel (< 4.0.0-1.fc8.1)

In updates-testing sits

I am assuming that the "kept back packages have been built against kdelibs4
not kdelibs-4

kdelibs4-devel-4.0.0-1.fc8.x86_64.rpm

not

kdelibs4-devel-4.0.0-1.fc8.1.x86_64.rpm

I would assume that the kept back files have been built against a version of
kdelibs4 which does not exist and should at this time probably not be needed.

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Post by Rex Dieter

Post by Eli Wapniarski

Post by Rex Dieter
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Problem 1
kdebase-runtime: Depends: kdepimlibs (>= 4.0.0)

Sorry, forgot to mention, you need to enable updates-testing (that's
where kdepimlibs-4.0.0 lives atm).

Hi Rex
Three parts.
First off. Thank you for this.
Second
apt-get -fd upgrade produces
The following packages have been kept back
kdeadmin (3.5.8-1.fc8 => 4.0.0-1.fc8)
kdeartwork (3.5.8-1.fc8 => 4.0.0-1.fc8)
kdeartwork-extras (3.5.8-1.fc8 => 4.0.0-1.fc8)
kdeartwork-kxs (3.5.8-1.fc8 => 4.0.0-1.fc8)
kdebase (3.5.8-30.fc8 => 4.0.0-2.fc8.1)
kdebase-devel (3.5.8-30.fc8 => 4.0.0-2.fc8.1)
kdebindings (3.5.8-1.fc8 => 4.0.0-1.fc8)
kdebindings-devel (3.5.8-1.fc8 => 4.0.0-1.fc8)
kdeedu (3.5.8-3.fc8 => 4.0.0-2.fc8)
kdeedu-devel (3.5.8-3.fc8 => 4.0.0-2.fc8)
kdeedu-libs (3.5.8-3.fc8 => 4.0.0-2.fc8)
kdegames (3.5.8-4.fc8 => 4.0.0-1.fc8)
kdegames-devel (3.5.8-4.fc8 => 4.0.0-1.fc8)
kdegames-libs (3.5.8-4.fc8 => 4.0.0-1.fc8)
kdegraphics (3.5.8-7.fc8 => 4.0.0-1.fc8)
kdegraphics-devel (3.5.8-7.fc8 => 4.0.0-1.fc8)
kdegraphics-libs (3.5.8-7.fc8 => 4.0.0-1.fc8)
kdelibs (3.5.8-19.fc8 => 4.0.0-1.fc8.1)
kdelibs-devel (3.5.8-19.fc8 => 4.0.0-1.fc8.1)
kdemultimedia (3.5.8-8.fc8 => 4.0.0-1.fc8)
kdemultimedia-devel (3.5.8-8.fc8 => 4.0.0-1.fc8)
kdemultimedia-libs (3.5.8-8.fc8 => 4.0.0-1.fc8)
kdenetwork (3.5.8-9.fc8 => 4.0.0-1.fc8)
kdenetwork-devel (3.5.8-9.fc8 => 4.0.0-1.fc8)
kdenetwork-libs (3.5.8-9.fc8 => 4.0.0-1.fc8)
kdesdk (3.5.8-2.fc8 => 4.0.0-1.fc8)
kdesdk-devel (3.5.8-2.fc8 => 4.0.0-1.fc8)
kdesdk-libs (3.5.8-2.fc8 => 4.0.0-1.fc8)
kdetoys (3.5.8-1.fc8 => 4.0.0-1.fc8)
kdeutils (3.5.8-3.fc8 => 4.0.0-2.fc8)
Third
apt-get -fd dist-upgrade produces
kdelibs: Obsoletes: kdelibs4 (< 4.0.0-1.fc8.1)
kdelibs-devel: Obsoletes: kdelibs4-devel (< 4.0.0-1.fc8.1)
In updates-testing sits
I am assuming that the "kept back packages have been built against kdelibs4
not kdelibs-4

[OOPS - CORRECTION]

In updates-testing sits

Post by Eli Wapniarski
kdelibs4-devel-4.0.0-1.fc8.x86_64.rpm
not
kdelibs4-devel-4.0.0-1.fc8.1.x86_64.rpm
I would assume that the kept back files have been built against a version
of kdelibs4 which does not exist and should at this time probably not be
needed.
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Post by Rex Dieter

Post by José Matos

Post by Rex Dieter
Heads up, I'm building kde-4.0.0 (all of it) for F-8 (and maybe F-7 too
when/if I get round-tuit), and will stuffing these into the
kde-redhat/unstable soon.
Only enable the unstable repo is you're know your way around yum, and
have a good grasp at debugging dependency issues. You've been warned. :)
That said, have fun.
-- Rex

I get this
Error: Missing Dependency: crystalsvg-icon-theme is needed by package kdelibs3

patience grasshopper, things are trickling in slowly.

OK, should pretty much be done now (thanks to the Xeon server that
happens to be sitting idle here), everything is now rpm signing, and
createrepo'ing.

Oops, forgot kdebase (ie, konq-n-friends), building now.

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Post by Rex Dieter

Post by Rex Dieter
OK, should pretty much be done now (thanks to the Xeon server that
happens to be sitting idle here), everything is now rpm signing, and
createrepo'ing.

Oops, forgot kdebase (ie, konq-n-friends), building now.

OK, I get this
Error: Missing Dependency: kdemultimedia3 >= 3.5.8 is needed by package
kdemultimedia-extras-nonfree
Error: Missing Dependency: libkcddb.so.1 is needed by package tellico
Error: Missing Dependency: strigi-libs = 0.5.7-1.fc8 is needed by package
strigi-devel

Post by Rex Dieter
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Regarding the first should I remove kdemultimedia-extras-nonfree?

tellic has the same problem we had in rawhide, so I think the only choice is
to rebuild it without kcddb support.

The last is strange to me:

$ yum list strigi*
Installed Packages
strigi-libs.i386 0.5.7-2.fc8 installed
Available Packages
strigi.i386 0.5.7-1.fc8 updates
strigi-devel.i386 0.5.7-1.fc8 updates
strigi-libs.i386 0.5.7-1.fc8 updates

[Rex Dieter]

Post by José Matos
OK, I get this
Error: Missing Dependency: kdemultimedia3 >= 3.5.8 is needed by package
kdemultimedia-extras-nonfree

remove kdemultimedia-extras-nonfree

Post by José Matos
Error: Missing Dependency: libkcddb.so.1 is needed by package tellico

No longer provided, you'll have to remove tellico.

Post by José Matos
Error: Missing Dependency: strigi-libs = 0.5.7-1.fc8 is needed by package
strigi-devel

Looks like you've got a strigi-libs version that's no longer available. ??

rpm -e --nodeps strigi-libs
yum install strigi-libs
??

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Post by José Matos
OK, I get this
Error: Missing Dependency: kdemultimedia3 >= 3.5.8 is needed by package
kdemultimedia-extras-nonfree

remove kdemultimedia-extras-nonfree

OK.

Post by José Matos

Post by José Matos
Error: Missing Dependency: libkcddb.so.1 is needed by package tellico

No longer provided, you'll have to remove tellico.

And since tellico is the only user outside of kdemultimedia...
$ repoquery --whatrequires libkcddb.so.1
kdemultimedia-devel-6:3.5.8-8.fc8.i386
kdemultimedia-6:3.5.8-8.fc8.i386
tellico-0:1.2.14-2.fc8.i386
kdemultimedia-libs-6:3.5.8-8.fc8.i386

Post by José Matos

Post by José Matos
Error: Missing Dependency: strigi-libs = 0.5.7-1.fc8 is needed by package
strigi-devel

Looks like you've got a strigi-libs version that's no longer available. ??
rpm -e --nodeps strigi-libs
yum install strigi-libs
??

Sure. :-)

Post by José Matos
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Next batch:
Transaction Check Error:
file /usr/share/icons/crystalsvg/16x16/actions/babelfish.png from install of
kdeartwork-icons-crystalsvg-4.0.0-1.fc8.i386 conflicts with file from package
kdeaddons-3.5.8-2.fc8.i386
...
file /usr/share/icons/crystalsvg/16x16/actions/kalarm.png from install of
kdeartwork-icons-crystalsvg-4.0.0-1.fc8.i386 conflicts with file from package
kdepim-3.5.8-12.svn20071204.ent.fc8.i386
...
file /usr/share/doc/HTML/en/kate-plugins/configure_insertcommand.png from
install of kdesdk-4.0.0-1.fc8.i386 conflicts with file from package
kdeaddons-3.5.8-2.fc8.i386
file /usr/share/doc/HTML/en/kate-plugins/index.cache.bz2 from install of
kdesdk-4.0.0-1.fc8.i386 conflicts with file from package
kdeaddons-3.5.8-2.fc8.i386
file /usr/share/doc/HTML/en/kate-plugins/insertcommand.png from install of
kdesdk-4.0.0-1.fc8.i386 conflicts with file from package
kdeaddons-3.5.8-2.fc8.i386

I guess that removing kdeaddons is the right thing to do. I would expect one
of the rpms to obsolete it, no?

OTOH removing kdepim is not an option to me. :-)
(writing this using kmail...)

[Rex Dieter]

Post by José Matos
file /usr/share/icons/crystalsvg/16x16/actions/kalarm.png from install of
kdeartwork-icons-crystalsvg-4.0.0-1.fc8.i386 conflicts with file from package
kdepim-3.5.8-12.svn20071204.ent.fc8.i386
...
file /usr/share/doc/HTML/en/kate-plugins/configure_insertcommand.png from
install of kdesdk-4.0.0-1.fc8.i386 conflicts with file from package
kdeaddons-3.5.8-2.fc8.i386
file /usr/share/doc/HTML/en/kate-plugins/index.cache.bz2 from install of
kdesdk-4.0.0-1.fc8.i386 conflicts with file from package
kdeaddons-3.5.8-2.fc8.i386
file /usr/share/doc/HTML/en/kate-plugins/insertcommand.png from install of
kdesdk-4.0.0-1.fc8.i386 conflicts with file from package
kdeaddons-3.5.8-2.fc8.i386
I guess that removing kdeaddons is the right thing to do. I would expect one
of the rpms to obsolete it, no?

rpm -e kdeaddons
yes.

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Post by José Matos
file /usr/share/icons/crystalsvg/16x16/actions/kalarm.png from install of
kdeartwork-icons-crystalsvg-4.0.0-1.fc8.i386 conflicts with file from package
kdepim-3.5.8-12.svn20071204.ent.fc8.i386

New kdepim coming to omit those conflicting bits.

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Post by José Matos
file /usr/share/icons/crystalsvg/16x16/actions/kalarm.png from install of
kdeartwork-icons-crystalsvg-4.0.0-1.fc8.i386 conflicts with file from
package kdepim-3.5.8-12.svn20071204.ent.fc8.i386

New kdepim coming to omit those conflicting bits.

done.

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Will KDE 3.x app such as amarok still work alongside KDE 4.x.x from
kde-redhat?

[Rex Dieter]

Post by Mark Bidewell
Will KDE 3.x app such as amarok still work alongside KDE 4.x.x from
kde-redhat?

Yes. apps (kde3, kde4, gtk, foobarbaz) can run anywhere (provided that they
have the proper runtime environment, which rpm deps take care of for you
automatically).

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Post by Rex Dieter
Heads up, I'm building kde-4.0.0 (all of it) for F-8 (and maybe F-7 too
when/if I get round-tuit), and will stuffing these into the
kde-redhat/unstable soon.
Only enable the unstable repo is you're know your way around yum, and
have a good grasp at debugging dependency issues. You've been warned. :)
That said, have fun.

Let me see if I understand.

I should be able to test this on my F-8 system. I suppose it won't co-exist
with kde-3, but will replace it? If disaster strikes, I should be able to
back out?

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Post by Neal Becker
I should be able to test this on my F-8 system. I suppose it won't co-exist
with kde-3, but will replace it?

Yes.

Post by Neal Becker
If disaster strikes, I should be able to back out?

Painful, but possible, yes. If you're not prepared for that
possibility, I'd suggest waiting for F-9.

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I presume using Gnome would still be an option in the disaster case?

Post by Neal Becker

Post by Neal Becker
I should be able to test this on my F-8 system. I suppose it won't

co-exist

Post by Neal Becker
with kde-3, but will replace it?

Yes.

Post by Neal Becker
If disaster strikes, I should be able to back out?

Painful, but possible, yes. If you're not prepared for that
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Post by Mark Bidewell
I presume using Gnome would still be an option in the disaster case?

Yes. Or XFCE for what is worth. :-)

[Sebastian Vahl]

Post by Neal Becker

Post by Rex Dieter
Heads up, I'm building kde-4.0.0 (all of it) for F-8 (and maybe F-7 too
when/if I get round-tuit), and will stuffing these into the
kde-redhat/unstable soon.
Only enable the unstable repo is you're know your way around yum, and
have a good grasp at debugging dependency issues. You've been warned. :)
That said, have fun.

Let me see if I understand.
I should be able to test this on my F-8 system. I suppose it won't
co-exist with kde-3, but will replace it? If disaster strikes, I should be
able to back out?

You should make a backup of ~/.kde (of course). The config files are not able
to downgrade.

Sebastian

[José Matos]

Post by Rex Dieter
Heads up, I'm building kde-4.0.0 (all of it) for F-8 (and maybe F-7 too
when/if I get round-tuit), and will stuffing these into the
kde-redhat/unstable soon.
Only enable the unstable repo is you're know your way around yum, and
have a good grasp at debugging dependency issues.  You've been warned. :)
That said, have fun.

So I do. :-)

I am running kde 4 on F8. The only problem that I have noticed is that
kwallet crashes on startup even before being called by other programs.

As soon as it called it works. What I don't understand is why it is called
in the first place (this did not happen in 3.5).

What I miss to are the specific packages that will be in F9 but are not on
F8 like extragear-plasma and dragonplayer. :-)

All the other problems I have are known and AFAIR not specific to Fedora. I
was used to switch between desktops using a configured shortcut and know that
is not (yet) possible.

A funny experience nevertheless. :-)

Post by Rex Dieter
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Post by José Matos
What I miss to are the specific packages that will be in F9 but are not on
F8 like extragear-plasma and dragonplayer. :-)

extragear-plasma coming up! dragonplayer can/should appear in the regular
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Post by Rex Dieter

Post by José Matos
What I miss to are the specific packages that will be in F9 but are not on
F8 like extragear-plasma and dragonplayer. :-)

extragear-plasma coming up! dragonplayer can/should appear in the regular
repos soon (hopefully).

I've not requested a branch for f7/8 because codeine (the kde3 version of
dragonplayer) would be better here, imho. But actually no one has packaged
codeine and I could try to build dragonplayer (at least) F8, too.

Sebastian

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Post by Sebastian Vahl

Post by Rex Dieter

Post by José Matos
What I miss to are the specific packages that will be in F9 but are not on
F8 like extragear-plasma and dragonplayer. :-)

extragear-plasma coming up! dragonplayer can/should appear in the
regular repos soon (hopefully).

I've not requested a branch for f7/8 because codeine (the kde3 version of
dragonplayer) would be better here, imho. But actually no one has packaged
codeine and I could try to build dragonplayer (at least) F8, too.
Sebastian

FYI: I've done a scratch build of dragonplayer for F8:
http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=355636

Please test it. If no problem occurs I'll think about requesting a branch for
F8, too (or package codeine instead).

Sebastian

[José Matos]

Post by Sebastian Vahl
http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=355636
Please test it. If no problem occurs I'll think about requesting a branch
for F8, too (or package codeine instead).

I have installed it and it works fine. :-)

It has a nice and uncluttered user interface. :-)

Post by Sebastian Vahl
Sebastian

[Eli Wapniarski]

Hi Rex

I just found a KDE 4.0.0 emergency FAQ at

http://software-libre.rudd-o.com/KDE_4.0.0_emergency_FAQ#Is_KDEPIM_.28Kontact.2C_KMail_etc.29_available_for_KDE_4.0.0.3F

I know you didn't ask me... :) but if you did, If indeed Fedora 9 is
schedualed to be released in April then I would hold off kde 4 until 4.1.
Which is not schedualed to be released until at least July. Despite the fact
that Fedora is supposed to be bleeding edge, there has got to be a usability
limit. There are just too many things missing from Plasma to make it a usable
desktop manager.

I for one will hold onto kde 4 to help where I can in honor of the great work
you guys are doing. Dunno how much help I can be. But I will do what I can.

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Post by Eli Wapniarski
I for one will hold onto kde 4 to help where I can in honor of the great
work you guys are doing. Dunno how much help I can be. But I will do what I
can.

Sorry Rex

I just found my showstoppers. The Desktop is completely useless. I cannot
create folders on the desktop. I cannot save files to the desktop. KDE4 needs
to wait for 4.1. Or until such time as the desktop, panels become useful
again.

I'm not lookiing for a debate or a flame war. But IMHO KDE4's eye candy is not
worth the trouble of learning a new XWindows Manager if the XWindows Manager
can't be managed. IMHO KDE4 is all style but now substance.

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Post by Eli Wapniarski
I'm not lookiing for a debate or a flame war. But IMHO KDE4's eye candy is
not worth the trouble of learning a new XWindows Manager if the XWindows
Manager can't be managed. IMHO KDE4 is all style but now substance.

I'm running it on my brand new laptop, a cutting edge gamers machine (and no,
I don't play games ;) I tried to install about 8 distros on this machine, an
ASUS G2S-B2 and Fedora was the only one that would install. This is my hobby
machine for Linux, so I'll stick with KDE4. It's got lots of problems, or at
least there are many new ways of doing things that are keeping me from
familiar KDE habits:

the worst:
Yakuake has been a staple of my desktops for a couple of years - I like being
able to press 'F12' and get a command line. It was set to run on startup.
Now, it opens with 25 or 30 instances running, so many that the window lines
for each instance fill the screen and obscure anything I try to type in to
the currently running window; if I try to close instances, it seems to have
the opposite effect, and open more.

I had KDE session control set to run a manually saved previous session; I
can't seem to find that control now, so, I have to turn that feature off and
go with a fresh start each time, or, set it to open like the previously
closed session, but, that feature doesn't seem to work - for example, I have
knetworkmanager running in my systray, I close the session and logout, I
reopen, and the networkmanager applet doesn't appear - I have to go into
menus and start it again

I really miss QuickLauncher and the replacement widget which just seems to
place a floating KMenu window in the middle of the screen is not a
satisfactory solution

I can't seem to be able to place any application icons on the taskbar - I've
always had three or four of my most used apps there, but there seems to be no
way to do that now - maybe I haven't found it, but, if so, it's not for lack
of trying

These are just some preliminary observations - there are many more I could
list...this is, for me, an early Beta - I'll stick with it, since that's
where things are going, and maybe, as I get more familiar with the new
paradigms, I can be helpful with bug reports and such. I'm not even going to
attempt to file bugs right now, till I figure out more...

[José Matos]

Post by Claude Jones
I'm running it on my brand new laptop, a cutting edge gamers machine (and
no, I don't play games ;) I tried to install about 8 distros on this
machine, an ASUS G2S-B2 and Fedora was the only one that would install.
This is my hobby machine for Linux, so I'll stick with KDE4. It's got lots
of problems, or at least there are many new ways of doing things that are

:-)

Post by Claude Jones
Yakuake has been a staple of my desktops for a couple of years - I like
being able to press 'F12' and get a command line. It was set to run on
startup. Now, it opens with 25 or 30 instances running, so many that the
window lines for each instance fill the screen and obscure anything I try
to type in to the currently running window; if I try to close instances, it
seems to have the opposite effect, and open more.
I had KDE session control set to run a manually saved previous session; I
can't seem to find that control now,

systemsettings -> advanced -> session manager -> on login

Post by Claude Jones
so, I have to turn that feature off
and go with a fresh start each time, or, set it to open like the previously
closed session, but, that feature doesn't seem to work - for example, I
have knetworkmanager running in my systray, I close the session and logout,
I reopen, and the networkmanager applet doesn't appear - I have to go into
menus and start it again

I suspect that somehow this is related with knetworkmanager calling
nm-applet (for now) as this features works for all other applets.

Post by Claude Jones
I really miss QuickLauncher and the replacement widget which just seems to
place a floating KMenu window in the middle of the screen is not a
satisfactory solution
I can't seem to be able to place any application icons on the taskbar -
I've always had three or four of my most used apps there, but there seems
to be no way to do that now - maybe I haven't found it, but, if so, it's
not for lack of trying

It is missing yes. It is possible to add an Icon applet into the panel, the
problem later seems to be its configuration. I guess that we could chase it
under ~/.kde and manually change the configuration file... Or wait for one of
the 4.0.x releases. :-)

Post by Claude Jones
These are just some preliminary observations - there are many more I could
list...this is, for me, an early Beta - I'll stick with it, since that's
where things are going, and maybe, as I get more familiar with the new
paradigms, I can be helpful with bug reports and such. I'm not even going
to attempt to file bugs right now, till I figure out more...

I disagree in the sense that all the other applications are working for me,
I would not call konqueror or okular or konsole or dolphin or ... beta
releases. I know that plasma is important for lots of reasons but let us not
name the forrest after one tree. :-)

[Claude Jones]

Post by José Matos

Post by Claude Jones
I had KDE session control set to run a manually saved previous session; I
can't seem to find that control now,

systemsettings -> advanced -> session manager -> on login

Post by Claude Jones
so, I have to turn that feature off
and go with a fresh start each time, or, set it to open like the
previously closed session, but, that feature doesn't seem to work - for
example, I have knetworkmanager running in my systray, I close the
session and logout, I reopen, and the networkmanager applet doesn't
appear - I have to go into menus and start it again

if you had completed the sentence I'd written before interjecting the above
reply, you'd have seen that I'd found the place to change session management
preferences - that's not the issue - there used to be a menu item that would
appear at the bottom of the KMenu column (which of course no longer exists)
when you set "Restore manually saved session" which allowed you to manually
save a session once you had the current session set up the way you wanted
it - next time you started KDE, it would return to that exact condition. It's
the 'Save session' button that I don't see anywhere, now...

Post by José Matos
I suspect that somehow this is related with knetworkmanager calling
nm-applet (for now) as this features works for all other applets.

yes, probably

Post by José Matos

Post by Claude Jones
I really miss QuickLauncher and the replacement widget which just seems
to place a floating KMenu window in the middle of the screen is not a
satisfactory solution
I can't seem to be able to place any application icons on the taskbar -
I've always had three or four of my most used apps there, but there seems
to be no way to do that now - maybe I haven't found it, but, if so, it's
not for lack of trying

It is missing yes. It is possible to add an Icon applet into the panel,
the problem later seems to be its configuration. I guess that we could
chase it under ~/.kde and manually change the configuration file... Or wait
for one of the 4.0.x releases. :-)

I've said I would stick with 4 for now, and hope for improvement

Post by José Matos

Post by Claude Jones
These are just some preliminary observations - there are many more I
could list...this is, for me, an early Beta - I'll stick with it, since
that's where things are going, and maybe, as I get more familiar with the
new paradigms, I can be helpful with bug reports and such. I'm not even
going to attempt to file bugs right now, till I figure out more...

I disagree in the sense that all the other applications are working for
me, I would not call konqueror or okular or konsole or dolphin or ... beta
releases. I know that plasma is important for lots of reasons but let us
not name the forrest after one tree. :-)

Sorry, but I'm not doing any naming, just making observations, and as I said,
these are just a few, as I could state many others that I've found. My
intention is not to hammer the developers and the effort. I shall spend time
with this release, get to know it, get used to its new paradigms, wait for
some bug fixes, and when I think I have really gotten some fluency, will
contribute RFE's and bug reports

[José Matos]

Post by Claude Jones

  It is missing yes. It is possible to add an Icon applet into the panel,
the problem later seems to be its configuration. I guess that we could
chase it under ~/.kde and manually change the configuration file... Or
wait for one of the 4.0.x releases. :-)

I've said I would stick with 4 for now, and hope for improvement

You misunderstood my smile above (at least I think so). :-)

The smile is based on the assumption that 4.0.1 (planned to be tagged next
week and released one week after) will have some of these issues fixed. :-)

[José Matos]

Post by Claude Jones
I can't seem to be able to place any application icons on the taskbar -
I've always had three or four of my most used apps there, but there seems
to be no way to do that now - maybe I haven't found it, but, if so, it's
not for lack of trying

I have (finally) found out how to do this.

In the application launcher select the application you want to add and right
click on them. There are three options:

* add to favorites
* add to desktop
* add to panel

It almost looks like an Easter egg. :-)

[Eli Wapniarski]

Post by Eli Wapniarski

Post by Eli Wapniarski
I for one will hold onto kde 4 to help where I can in honor of the great
work you guys are doing. Dunno how much help I can be. But I will do what
I can.

Sorry Rex
I just found my showstoppers. The Desktop is completely useless. I cannot
create folders on the desktop. I cannot save files to the desktop. KDE4
needs to wait for 4.1. Or until such time as the desktop, panels become
useful again.
I'm not lookiing for a debate or a flame war. But IMHO KDE4's eye candy is
not worth the trouble of learning a new XWindows Manager if the XWindows
Manager can't be managed. IMHO KDE4 is all style but now substance.
Eli

OK... That's that. I'm back to 3.5.8. It was a relatively painless transition.

Rex

Looking forward to th fixes to make flash work in Konqueror. I know. I know.
I'm being a pain in the derier. :)

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Post by Eli Wapniarski
I just found my showstoppers. The Desktop is completely useless. I cannot
create folders on the desktop. I cannot save files to the desktop.

Fwiw, I can save to the Desktop just fine, folders don't think so atm.
Further, this is an area that will see a lot of attention in forthcoming
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Post by Eli Wapniarski
I know you didn't ask me... :) but if you did, If indeed Fedora 9 is
schedualed to be released in April then I would hold off kde 4 until 4.1.
Which is not schedualed to be released until at least July. Despite the
fact that Fedora is supposed to be bleeding edge, there has got to be a
usability limit. There are just too many things missing from Plasma to make
it a usable desktop manager.

I'm not a member of the KDE SIG or anything, just a Fedora/KDE user, but I
just want to list some of my points about the KDE4/KDE3 situation:

- KDE4 is already a Fedora 9 feature and the packages are in Rawhide, going
back would require quite some work, I believe.

- Fedora is supposed to be a leading edge distribution and even if the desktop
is not as nice as it could be, the underlying technologies do look quite
promising. I think people are also looking forward to using KDE4 on Fedora 9.

- If the KDE schedule holds, Fedora 9 would probably have KDE4.0.x only for a
couple of months of the whole ~13 month cycle.

- If Fedora 9 won't have KDE4 in release time, it probably can't have official
KDE4 packages at all, during the whole 13 months, as going from KDE3 to KDE4
during an everyday yum update wouldn't probably be very nice to the users.
(Well, maybe it could have KDE4 as a separate set of packages, after all..)

- If someone doesn't want KDE4, they could always use Fedora 8 with KDE3,
which will probably be supported until November 2008 or something like that.
When Fedora 8 goes EOL, KDE4 in F9/F10 should already be at least as usable
as KDE3.

- As a side note, maybe kde-redhat could have unofficial KDE3 packages for
Fedora 9 for those who want to use Fedora 9 but still stay with KDE3?
(Assuming someone has time to maintain such a packages...)

[Eli Wapniarski]

Post by Ville-Pekka Vainio
- Fedora is supposed to be a leading edge distribution and even if the
desktop is not as nice as it could be, the underlying technologies do look
quite promising. I think people are also looking forward to using KDE4 on
Fedora 9.

Leading edge yes. Unusable no. Quite promising translates in my mind as beta
software. It does not translate as the latest greatest stable feature
complete release. KDE 4 as is unusable. The plasma panel can't be managed. It
will not stretch across a dual screen setup. Icons can't be dragged across to
the second screen. After the screen is locked. The unlock screen wants to
show up on the second screen. And it doesn't show up. There is no menu
editor. I can't add additional panels. The list goes on and on.

Maybe KDE4 is a good developer platform but as far as a Desktop client it
simply brain dead. Nothing like what I would expect from KDE and a couple of
months is a couple of months with a brain dead desktop. Which would not
reflect well for Fedora or Redhat or KDE.

Promising yes... Promises promises. Sometimes it is better to delay and get it
right then release a flawed system that will only frustrate.

IMHO it is better to release 4.1, if the promises are kept as was supposed to
be the case with 4.0, and Fedora 10. Assuming that everyone keeps their
promises.

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Post by Eli Wapniarski

Post by Ville-Pekka Vainio
- Fedora is supposed to be a leading edge distribution and even if the
desktop is not as nice as it could be, the underlying technologies do
look quite promising. I think people are also looking forward to using
KDE4 on Fedora 9.

Leading edge yes. Unusable no. Quite promising translates in my mind as
beta software. It does not translate as the latest greatest stable feature
complete release. KDE 4 as is unusable. The plasma panel can't be managed.
It will not stretch across a dual screen setup. Icons can't be dragged
across to the second screen. After the screen is locked. The unlock screen
wants to show up on the second screen. And it doesn't show up. There is no
menu editor. I can't add additional panels. The list goes on and on.

Right "as-is", good thing we've got a few months to haggle-out the details
in time for F-9 launch.

kde4 is using a lot of new technology in new ways, pushing lower levels of
the techology stack (X, kernel, hal/dbus, etc...) to limits they've never
seen before, and exposing problems. Fortunately, many of the problems you
describe are of that type (multihead X/driver issues, in particular), not
necessarily (just) kde's fault. Folks are working hard to solve these.
Patience.

In time for F-9...
Will kde4 be *perfect*? Heck no. (never will be).

Will it be usable and releasable? I'm 99% confident the answer will be yes.

Will kde4 contain your "pet feature" that's a deal-breaker for you? Maybe,
maybe not, but if not, then you will always have the option to stick with
F-8 (which is nothing to sneeze at).

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Post by Rex Dieter

Post by Eli Wapniarski

Post by Ville-Pekka Vainio
- Fedora is supposed to be a leading edge distribution and even if the
desktop is not as nice as it could be, the underlying technologies do
look quite promising. I think people are also looking forward to using
KDE4 on Fedora 9.

Leading edge yes. Unusable no. Quite promising translates in my mind as
beta software. It does not translate as the latest greatest stable
feature complete release. KDE 4 as is unusable. The plasma panel can't be
managed. It will not stretch across a dual screen setup. Icons can't be
dragged across to the second screen. After the screen is locked. The
unlock screen wants to show up on the second screen. And it doesn't show
up. There is no menu editor. I can't add additional panels. The list goes
on and on.

Right "as-is", good thing we've got a few months to haggle-out the details
in time for F-9 launch.
kde4 is using a lot of new technology in new ways, pushing lower levels of
the techology stack (X, kernel, hal/dbus, etc...) to limits they've never
seen before, and exposing problems. Fortunately, many of the problems you
describe are of that type (multihead X/driver issues, in particular), not
necessarily (just) kde's fault. Folks are working hard to solve these.
Patience.
In time for F-9...
Will kde4 be *perfect*? Heck no. (never will be).
Will it be usable and releasable? I'm 99% confident the answer will be yes.

I certainly hope so. But we have to be honest about this?

Post by Rex Dieter
Will kde4 contain your "pet feature" that's a deal-breaker for you? Maybe,
maybe not, but if not, then you will always have the option to stick with
F-8 (which is nothing to sneeze at).

A pet feature here or there is not what concerns me. I live without the
zooming icons on the kicker panel. I will live without Baghira if the Desktop
experience is indeed better when KDE 4.x becomes feature complete. Its the
package as a whole. The emergency FAQ that I linked to in a previous post
indicated that the there will be no new features added to the 4.0 series.
Just bug fixes. For greater feature completeness we'll have to wait till 4.1.
Which means that kde on Fedora 9 will look and feel the same way as kde 4
looks and feels right now minus a few crashes. This is not good.

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Post by José Matos

Post by Rex Dieter
Heads up, I'm building kde-4.0.0 (all of it) for F-8 (and maybe F-7 too
when/if I get round-tuit), and will stuffing these into the
kde-redhat/unstable soon.
Only enable the unstable repo is you're know your way around yum, and
have a good grasp at debugging dependency issues.  You've been warned. :)
That said, have fun.

So I do. :-)
I am running kde 4 on F8. The only problem that I have noticed is that
kwallet crashes on startup even before being called by other programs.
As soon as it called it works. What I don't understand is why it is called
in the first place (this did not happen in 3.5).
What I miss to are the specific packages that will be in F9 but are not on
F8 like extragear-plasma and dragonplayer. :-)
All the other problems I have are known and AFAIR not specific to Fedora. I
was used to switch between desktops using a configured shortcut and know that
is not (yet) possible.

Yeah, it sucks not behind able to use CTRL+-> and CTRL+<- to walk the
desktops.

All the rest is great :)
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Post by Jose Celestino

Post by José Matos

Post by Rex Dieter
Heads up, I'm building kde-4.0.0 (all of it) for F-8 (and maybe F-7 too
when/if I get round-tuit), and will stuffing these into the
kde-redhat/unstable soon.
Only enable the unstable repo is you're know your way around yum, and
have a good grasp at debugging dependency issues.  You've been warned. :)
That said, have fun.

So I do. :-)
I am running kde 4 on F8. The only problem that I have noticed is that
kwallet crashes on startup even before being called by other programs.
As soon as it called it works. What I don't understand is why it is called
in the first place (this did not happen in 3.5).
What I miss to are the specific packages that will be in F9 but are not on
F8 like extragear-plasma and dragonplayer. :-)
All the other problems I have are known and AFAIR not specific to Fedora. I
was used to switch between desktops using a configured shortcut and know that
is not (yet) possible.

Yeah, it sucks not behind able to use CTRL+-> and CTRL+<- to walk the
desktops.
All the rest is great :)

Hmm.. Is someone else missing the panel?
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Post by Jose Celestino
Hmm.. Is someone else missing the panel?

What panel? ;-)

I usually ran kicker auto-hidding, so I only saw the windows I was working
on. :-)

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PS: I already installed extragear-plasma. Thanks Rex. :-)

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Post by José Matos

Post by Jose Celestino
Hmm.. Is someone else missing the panel?

What panel? ;-)

:)

Post by José Matos
I usually ran kicker auto-hidding, so I only saw the windows I was working
on. :-)

Yeah but I would find it nice to have a container for plasmoids. It gets
wild having a clock there, a battery monitor there, a pager somewhere
else, a systray elsewhere, a couple of application icons a bit to the
left,...

A kicker/panel/container for all of those is great for some
organization. I've seen it in screenshot but can't find it :|
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[Eli Wapniarski]

OK...

The good the bad and the ugly.

I managed to get everything installed and everything seems to be working.
Yeah :)

Hats off to everyone.

THE GOOD
--------
The only package required from updates-testing is libzip.
Everything seems to work.
Plasma seems to be very attractive.


THE BAD
-------
I had to manually uninstall kdelibs from kde3 to be able to get kdelibs from
kde4 to install. The only package required from updates-testing is libzip
maybe should be in kde-redhat unstable as well to make things easier.
Kdenetwork did not install in the upgrade and I had to fetch it after
everything was installed and I noticed.


THE UGLY
--------
Flash still doesn't work in Konqueror. I have nspluginwrapper 0.9.91-6
installed and it works fine with Firefox. (I thought this was patched.)

Plasma seems to be brain dead. Anyone know of anyway I can do anything with
it. I releaize that this isn't a kde-redhat issue and that Plasma is working
pretty much as advertised, but... I didn't expect so much functionality to be
stripped from KDE. This part is really disappointing.

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Post by Eli Wapniarski
THE GOOD
--------
The only package required from updates-testing is libzip.
THE BAD
-------
I had to manually uninstall kdelibs from kde3 to be able to get kdelibs
from kde4 to install. The only package required from updates-testing is
libzip maybe should be in kde-redhat unstable as well to make things
easier. Kdenetwork did not install in the upgrade and I had to fetch it
after everything was installed and I noticed.

I've build a new package libzip yesterday and requested the push to
updates-testing. After that is done I'll request a push to stable asap.

Sebastian

[Sebastian Vahl]

Post by Sebastian Vahl

Post by Eli Wapniarski
THE GOOD
--------
The only package required from updates-testing is libzip.
THE BAD
-------
I had to manually uninstall kdelibs from kde3 to be able to get kdelibs
from kde4 to install. The only package required from updates-testing is
libzip maybe should be in kde-redhat unstable as well to make things
easier. Kdenetwork did not install in the upgrade and I had to fetch it
after everything was installed and I noticed.

I've build a new package libzip yesterday and requested the push to
updates-testing. After that is done I'll request a push to stable asap.
Sebastian

libzip-0.8-4.fc8 (and also .f7) was moved to stable some minutes ago. So it
should appear on the mirrors soon.

Sebastian

[Eli Wapniarski]

Rex...

Irony of ironies.... Remember the version 8 curse discusssion a month or two
back. Well... there doesn't seem to be anyway to edit the menus.

Things that make you go hmmmm.

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